Rules & Actitude

[renfire Profile]

Hi,

my nickname is renfire and usualy play as OMEGA.renfire.

I was an ET player.

The reason of this post is to ask for help. I've been playing on PS1 enought time to know that there are so good players, and also very good server's connections. This is a great place to play.

However, there are some black points.

In first place, I think that server rules and suggested ways of play are very important, and meanwhile there are players that are not fully friendly-rules, there must exist the well known admin profile to keep rules up. May be it is not the best way of play, but is the best that we know. For this reason, I want to apologize players that have been banned, and ve been targeted and accused permanently to do an unfair play. This is my situation.

I'm guilty. I'm not discusing it here. It's not the right place.

I made this post to cause I feel like some players that think that admins are overburned with some players, and sometimes they "fire before ask". Most of you say "there is an general chat, and you have been warned there". Ok, let's assume that I'm a newbe. Do you really think that a noob have enought time to read this warnings? No, sure.

So, have this noobs a chance to improve? Yes, but they must humble themselves in a post. In my opinion, this is not respectable.

Often, discussions at forum are out of context, most people answer without really readed all thread, and with angry words.

I'm not the onlyone who have this poor feeling about this situation, but it seems that I'm the onlyone who say it.

Let's assume that I'm not a good player (or not good enought to play in PS servers). I don't agree with this presumption, but let's go. That justify unpleasant posts? I think not.

I encourage everybody to treat with respect eachothers, and specially administrators and moderators, who must have more patience than other players and users.

Thanks for your time.

[renfire Profile]

As ampliation,

I suggest to remove from post answers like "it was done for a good reason" or "it was the fastest way of do it". This admin (is not necessary to personify this sentence to one person, but if you read all the posts, u'll find it) had no idea about the reason, but the answer was clear: "we never do mistakes".

This is just a sample of the kind of poor treat to users.

[Borewicz Profile]

Nice introduction. Have a fun here...

As ampliation,

I suggest to remove from post answers like "it was done for a good reason" or "it was the fastest way of do it". This admin (is not necessary to personify this sentence to one person, but if you read all the posts, u'll find it) had no idea about the reason, but the answer was clear: "we never do mistakes".

This is just a sample of the kind of poor treat to users.

Probably we never do mistakes... but look at yourself
Read forum rules about double posts!

And that is my first warning for you from me....

[renfire Profile]

Ok, you are right. I did a double post. But if, after read all that I write, this is the only one coment that you can do, it's regrettable.

I'm not gonna insult you.

Just watch your abatar. Just watch your signature. Just watch your answer. Are you talking about my post content, or about a write mistake? Please. Be tolerant with my english as I'm tolearan with yours. So let's try again.

I'm absolutly surprised about your warning. Please read again my post and, if you have anything to say about the post content, write it.

If you just use a "forum style sheet rule" to bring me into discredit, and warn me for free, are you a clear example about the kind of abuse that I'm talking in this posts.

Use your admin/moderator "powers" to get me to be quiet... is your warn in this sense? A menace? lol, just as I told.

See u soon.

[Joky Profile]

- in this post im talkin about myself, not other admins/moderators -

first part of your first post:
what is it? are you appoligizing on behalf of the players to admins, or on behalf of admins to players?
(m reading the 2nd part (I'm guilty..) makes me think the 2nd is the best option)

'fire before ask', lets assume talking doesnt help as noobplayers dont read chat (which i doubt, they just dont know how to chat back, might be scary even). what do you do? you gib a bit.. kick m perhaps.. still doesnt help (just out of my experience ej) why? they dont read.. its more likely they read chat then that they read kickmsgs

the purpose of punishing is that they learn how to behave. As it d be stupid to be online 24/7 to teach noobs the rules by trial and error (gibbing when they do something wrong), you dont do that (it d take too long). You want them to learn quickly, banning m forces them to the forum (assuming they ve seen some website thingys when connecting/loading and being kicked/banned).

When they come to the forum, i explain m what they did and tell m they shouldnt do it again, else they ll be banned longer (then i unban m immediatly).

When they DONT come to the forum, i unban in a few days (depending on when i remember to look at the banlist to see who should be unbanned). They can come back and make the mistake again and ill again try to get m to the site.

This repeats till
1. the person isnt a noob anymore and can read+react on chat -> learns how to not be a noob even more
2. the noob ll find its way to the site and gets the rules
3. the noob quits coming

Now lets assume the person offending ISNT a noob and can read+reacton chat.
you warn in chat, you warn using a configfile showing msgs, you gib noobs with a warning.. would be enough warnings right? the person isnt a noob, so he should know fe spawnkilling is forbidden. If they still dare doing it, i dont hesitate to kick, or ban even (if it s someone from who i know he knows the rules). He or she knows how to find a way to the forum and ill unban just as fast, they just have to post nice.

'angrywords' i never react bad, unless the person asks for it by posting likewise

'not good enough' everyone is good enough to play here, they just shouldnt be noobing like hell (*beep* up on purpose).

is this the kind of post you were looking for?

[renfire Profile]

is this the kind of post you were looking for?

Yes, this kind of post is useful to find solutions, and put light in some points.

First one. In some post, admins said that I did thinks that I never did (in this or other server). I'm not talking about ALL admins. I'm exactly talking about
-|PS|- ycho, who said:

no we didnt ban OMEGA.renfire just for his name. we banned him because he just doesnt know how to behave in anyway. even after warning him, he keeps on f*cking around. he does pemanent SK, he pushes snipers down from their hiding place and has absolutly no respect for players or admins.

It's completely false. I just did 1 kill on spawn 2 weeks ago, and I discused it with DeadHunter, who ban me. One week later, aftar fair long playing, I did an unfortunated attack which produces another SK. This time was Bow who ban me.

I discused without big problems with some admins... but others talk without known nothing and without criteria... and their answers don't give any solution to the problem, like angel in this post, or ycho in this quoted posts.

I claim for calm and reflexion.

I don't wanna start a war, or find comunity enemies. But as same way that I recognice my errors, I expect others do the same.

So, this post was in this way: those, admins or players, who must apologize their acts or coments, do it. And after, find some convivence rules to avoid if posible this situations.

Finally, I discused my bans at correct place, and after all, I still banned. But who slandered on me, put a PERMANENT ban, witch is not fair. Why? Just cause I'm critic with some admins (players also, but players don't ban permanently to players).

[mem Profile]

well, Joky is right, what to say moreover ?

we spent lot of time with !warn, !gib and !putteam, there's never a map without a breakrule before 2 or 3:00 am...
ok, there's always new players and they don't necessarily know our rules, we are also here to make them learn..
no problem, !warn and explain and when these players are of goodwill they accept and respect.

but when people are insincerely, there's obligatorily problems. and there's other cats to be whipped, there's nice players who are happy to see us banning millstones (as lately as yesterday many people said thanks to Lethal for kicking a spawnkiller, and same for me few minutes after... strange, no ?)

so in this case we become more severe, we act more quickly and definitively (don't think i'm a spree banner, it's really wrong, i have only two perm bans in my stats : a cheater and a serial sker, so i'm not than evil as you think Renfire..)

now, about you.. ok, you write nice things, you're not wrong on the entire line, far of that. but your acts are not matched with your words, and it's where stocking wounds.
why am i saying that ?? just look your first unban request. you had made sk, you're a rules breaker, but you start your post with a "OMEGA.renfire vs PS.DeadHunter" title.. nice way you think ? and moreover you write your post in a way where we can think WE are rules breaker and not you.. you said it yourself, you know our rules, but they're valid only for us, not for you..

ok, this one is solved, go on, let's play... well, no, we can't... i don't know why, but you're banned again on PS1... and you come and connect with a new name ?? why ??? provocate ? this is called 'ban evading' and it's a rude rule break..
yes, you can repeat it was your friend who came to see at which point the PS admins are malicious, but you can't take all of us for turnips. this name OMEGA.returns was created just before the connection, check the link to see if you want, but you already know i think. you can lie to us, sure, and it's perhaps the truth, but i really don't think.. and in any event there remains a last joke to be seen

OMEGA.admin-killer, why this name ?? joke ? very bad taste then.. provocate ? mmm, i think this one.. why ? just because i have read ALL your posts and ALL your sentences since this problems starts...

well, Joky answer you on topic, i think first part of my post is also on topic.. now i hope you'll really read my post with open eyes and think a little about, perhaps you'll see you have start this "fight" and there's a way to stop it... Nhano chose the good way, i hope you'll be able to make in the same way

Edit : oops, your post come while i was writing...

So, this post was in this way: those, admins or players, who must apologize their acts or coments, do it. And after, find some convivence rules to avoid if posible this situations.

i think this "war" start because there's a disagreement. by exemple, Angel have this strange sign, ok, but he never act like that.. exept if he think players deserve it, and i never see him doing that without reasons ! now, if you think there's really admin abuse, you have a forum for that, but put your screenshoots or video in, not hard to take and can't have lies with this kind of proofs... yep, hard to take this kind of proofs for a sk, but being baned for sk don't raise of admin abuse, especially when that occurs twice in a week...

Finally, I discused my bans at correct place, and after all, I still banned.

yes, for a second sk, not for the same fault

[renfire Profile]

Nice post.

You're right in all, but just one comment. I tryed to do ban evading after read liers posts.

If you (or another rational person) decide to do permanent ban on me, I'll respect it. If not (like last ban), I don't have moral obligation to respect this ban. Anyway, I connected with an easy to recognize nick, so it's not a real ban evasion.

Thanks for your time. I respect your post, cause it's tue. I Just completed the fact lists. I wish there are more admins like you.

Edited:
Still waiting for a reason for admin lies about me. This lies aren't a mistake? Nobody recognize it as mistake? You talk about provocation with "OMEGA.admin-killer" nick... angels signature aren't a provocation? I can tolerate angels signature... if "admin-killer" is also tolerated. Is the same bad taste an image of admin kick on user face... isn't it? Just same rules to everybody: this is the topic. Just same sorry post for everybody.

[mem Profile]

happy to see we can understand ourself, now i hope we can find a way to solve this bad story and start again on good bases..

I wish there are more admins like you.

i'm a noob high admin (here^^), they vote yes to make me one of them and so i think we think all in a similary way.. we have all good and bad days, but none of us are really evil, this story start from a misunderstood.

and... for your edit, i just can give my opinion about Angel's sign : i don't take it as offensive, i know Angel sufficient to know that it's second degree and so i think it's funny.. but i have to admit it's possible to think Angel is evil while seeing it when you don't know him

[nhano Profile]

Ok, let's go say sorry, I'm the first who has to say it for some reasons (re-say it, I think I ever say if necessary, but here can compile all)

sometimes I exceed my acusations to admins for their bans that affect me by the IP, unknowing that there is only one way to ban, I possibly demand "the other way" or something allows me to play while my friends remain banned

one other time I exceed so many with "I'm beggining to think in PS the mean of age is 15 years and the admins ban who disturb them... or this or I'm wrong and I have very very bad luck"
I was totally wrong and I say sorry too for theese

of course, I've to say sorry for my poor english,but Is more important to me to improve on this way than for you, really

otherwise, I think I've not more big black marks in my c.v. here in PS

possibly, Iim waiting too for some admins excuses, for contemptuous or out of place tones as:

The most amazing is that ur friend is baned in PS2 too and for same reason, sorry but for me it s another evidence

this is demagogy, and out of place

...i asked u, u told me i dont 'know with a Very Happy , it s why i told u :"do u take me for a noov?", anyway i asked u about him and no answer from u, and u disconnected

it shows me as a agitator and the really was I was warned "for don't answer"(??) and I've already answered, and I did It once again before going

if i c any other player with sme IP adress than u, i ban both

¬¬
I'm waiting to know MY fault


I'm sure Monster will answer my post of unban in PS#2, so this can be all

finally, I've to say thanks to some ather admins as Joky,DeadHunter, Warren and Memnoch because they've demostrated common sense, stillness and objectivity in their posts
and, of course, to all admins that work hard as they can for "cleaning" the parties of undeseared players ["as renfire" xD] and they get sure the work is done and right


wasn't this a place to say thanks too, renfire?

[renfire Profile]

wasn't this a place to say thanks too, renfire?

That's a place to call things by theirname (as we say in Spain). A place to say good things to best admins, and be critic to worst. Anyway, I expect for admin apologize: recognition of mistake evidences and lies.

[Joky Profile]

critics on already good admins could make m even better

[BOWDOWN]

The most amazing is that ur friend is baned in PS2 too and for same reason, sorry but for me it s another evidence

this is demagogy, and out of place

...i asked u, u told me i dont 'know with a Very Happy , it s why i told u :"do u take me for a noov?", anyway i asked u about him and no answer from u, and u disconnected

it shows me as a agitator and the really was I was warned "for don't answer"(??) and I've already answered, and I did It once again before going

if i c any other player with sme IP adress than u, i ban both

¬¬
I'm waiting to know MY fault


I'm sure Monster will answer my post of unban in PS#2, so this can be all

[/quote]

Ok, i will make it damn clear, u will have any excuse from me for thoses sentence, cuz there is no need to say sorry.

1.I said that it was amazing to c u baned in ps2, after ur post saying that you r not a spawn killer, so explain me why u r baned 3 times for sk and by 3 different admins?. So don t use word like "demagogy" if u don t know the exact sense.

2. I just told what was happened when i c u and renfire connected ps1 when u were still baned (ban evading)

3. I told u this and i will exactly do what i said after ur ban evading, renfire was connected with other name but same IP, then ja he can change his name but if i c a player with same IP than nhano, for me it will be renfire and he will be baned.

[renfire Profile]

We know the meaning of demagogy, of course. And nhano's sentence is right.

It's seems that your arguments just talk about me and my ban. I will pleased if you talk about my ban at ban section, and give your opinion about the other discused topics in this thread.

We known your opinion about us: it's clear. But I wish to know your opinion about admins (you and your partners), because I have the feeling (just a conviction, as yours) that your posts are simply a closed admin defense and attack guilty players. I hope that I'm worng on you, but I didn't read anything in this sense.

If you wanna do a personal crusade of this thread, we can talk about it in other place.

Thanks

[BOWDOWN]

Renfire :It's seems that your arguments just talk about me and my ban. I will pleased if you talk about my ban at ban section, and give your opinion about the other discused topics in this thread.

My answer : Ok, for sure i talk about ur ban, cuz ur friend quotes my sentence from ur unban request here, so don t be surprise if i m talkin about ur ban here

Renfire: We known your opinion about us: it's clear. But I wish to know your opinion about admins (you and your partners), because I have the feeling (just a conviction, as yours) that your posts are simply a closed admin defense and attack guilty players.

My answer : Ummm, my opinion about you? my opinion is realy simple, u did some errors and now u have to pay and be punished (3 bans for sk+ban evading). And ja i m a closed admin, doing my job cuz it s only think i have to do in this case.

Renfire : you wanna do a personal crusade of this thread, we can talk about it in other place.

My answer : A personal crusade?
Ja for sure,i was born to make a jihad against OMEGA dudes, it s my mission form God , please stop ur jokes, believ me i have better to in my ilfe than do "crusade" to people, still another funny no sense for me.

Thanks

[renfire Profile]

My answer : Ummm, my opinion about you? my opinion is realy simple, u did some errors and now u have to pay and be punished (3 bans for sk+ban evading). And ja i m a closed admin, doing my job cuz it s only think i have to do in this case.

No. Your opinion about admins... I have been wroted it clear. Read slowly.

Renfire : you wanna do a personal crusade of this thread, we can talk about it in other place.

My answer : A personal crusade?
Ja for sure,i was born to make a jihad against OMEGA dudes, it s my mission form God , please stop ur jokes, believ me i have better to in my ilfe than do "crusade" to people, still another funny no sense for me.

Thanks

This is demagogy, you got it

[Joky Profile]

i didnt know this was a topic to continue what was ended in the unbanrequests section?

oh wait.. it isnt..

STOP ACTING LIKE THAT IN PUBLIC
if you want a bítchfight, use pm, i dont care what happens there

start it again and ill delete EVERYTHING i think has something to do with this thingy between u 2 (or 3) im tired of this


note: i hate some things (fe bítch) being censored