Sniping in nq 127 - the suffering and the solution

by **Rainbow** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:34

Heya,

I think you all will agree with me, good sniping in NQ 1.2.7 is impossible.

I have contact with one of the NQ dev's (S.S AliceInChains) who confirmed the changes in nq 127. I spend some time on Alices' server with edited weapon scripts.

What are weapon scripts? Since NQ 1.2.5, all values of a weapon (damage, bullets, speed reducement, alternateFire mode, etc etc) is stored in files ending on ".weap".

You can open it as a archive.
Only 2 files was edited:
"k43.weap" and "m1_garand_s.weap".
The axis and the allies sniper rifle.
(I was not sure, but i think all .weap files need to be in this pk3 for a working implementation on a server).
You can extract and open the .weap file in a texteditor. I also pasted them here:
K43: http://pastebin.org/125227
M1: http://pastebin.org/125226

This is an apply to sebbel as the owner: look into changes and try them out (if needed on a testserver) please! A how2 for weapon scripts is in the NQ wiki:
http://www.shitstorm.org/noquarter/wiki/index.php?title=Weapon_Scripting#Implementation

And all ppl who are annoyed from the strange rifle behaviour: Say how pissed u are plz and help me to motivate sebbel!

Part 2 - only imprtant for the testing:
Here is the pk3 file i made
http://free-gameserver.com/uploads/index.php?downloade_datei=dc42b3d8890fa7638bf6adeb97db46eb

by **Daghel** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:43

Rainbow wrote:: Say how pissed u are plz

Im very pissed.
Wrrr!, that much im pissed.

Lets face it, NQ 1.2.7 is just a fail ^^

/drunkmode off

With current settings even when aiming perfectly in midle of target (lets say nipples level) you have like 1/10 chances to hit. For me it looks totally random.
Somethimes im aiming on foot and reciving hs, ridicolous.
maybe developers of Nq looked at it that realizm demand modifications; wind, distance, you must aim a bit abowe the target. But for gods sake, not that much! -.- Also i dont like reloading with scope on. Now playning sniper is infact impossible, wasted whole class on bigger maps.
If that would be possible to fix it with some server scripts, settings, whatever, that would be great.

by **Rainbow** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:44

Only related on sniping plz

<3

by **Daghel** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:51

and its not?

by **Rainbow** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:05

now yes

thanks for ur opinion, matches mine.

With current settings even when aiming perfectly in midle of target (lets say nipples level) you have like 1/10 chances to hit. For me it looks totally random.
Somethimes im aiming on foot and reciving hs, ridicolous.

by **ErsGuterJunge** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:59

now hs ist just a lucky shot -.-

by **GoldenBullet** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:12

Im actually more accurate without the scope than with at the moment :D
And when comparing to SMG, sniper rifles are completely worthless. MP40 is almost as accurate as sten for god sakes!

by **eLemenT** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:23

MP40 isnt as accurate as sten.. ._.

MP40 is more accurate in 1.2.3 as in 1.2.7.

In 1.2.7 spread of MP40 = 600, of sten it should be 200

STG / BAR are as accurate as the sten. Even though it was for me a big surprize aswell

now some more ontopic:

I was on some Developer Server and tried out the current 1.2.8 version (pre version of the new nq)

There it's fixed, also the screenshaking with mp40/thompson is fixed (for wose which are annyoed by it, including me)

If the developers won't destroy that new version with additional bugs, and some other nerf settings, like they did imo at 1.2.7, it would be best nQ release, compared to the other versions.

And main point of my speech.., maybe to wait for new nq release ^^
...If sebbel is really that lazy

But ye.. nQ is like, new version release.. -> bugs in it.. uh -> 'wait for fixed version' -> new nQ release -> bugs -> wait for new nQ D:

The best update was the jump from 1.2.0 to 1.2.3 -> even though 1.2.3 had this strange shotgun-bug, or the 'bigger hitboxes' on which other players complain.

by **davies** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:25

I never snipe anymore, just because NQ 1.2.7.
Seb, please give it a try

by **Epa** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:52

Yes this thing has annoyed me too aswell.
When i first tried to snipe i was like wtf, they have godmode or something on, then sebbel told me that it is bug of nq 1.2.7.I was little supriced becouse i never noticed huge problem like this before when i played in ps servers.

Well the main thing is: We want the sniping back :!:

by **warren-the-ape** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 14:37

We are currently still discussing and testing new settings for the upcoming NQ release. It appeared that other weapons were affected (mainly the spread) by older code changes as well. The weaponscripts were just partially responsible for it.

The rifle settings at PS5 had already been changed a couple of months ago, but apparently not enough. Spoke about this with Seb already so hold your emo wagon

by **Fefe** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:30

i also stoped sniping cuz of the mode rly ruines big maps when u wanna snipe and cant

(cant cuz u dont hit ) :>

by **Skippy** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:45

As you all know minas tirith is a sniper map in the beggining

.
Well i tried to snipe and i was confirmed that i will make a headshot but "woop" I missed

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Agree with Daghel about the NQ 1.2.7 is fail

.

by **ErsGuterJunge** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 16:07

big fail.
sniping isnt funny anymore :cry:

by **Fefe** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:53

Skippy wrote:As you all know minas tirith is a sniper map in the beggining .
Well i tried to snipe and i was confirmed that i will make a headshot but "woop" I missed .

Agree with Daghel about the NQ 1.2.7 is fail .

u can snipe in any map only need another mode

by **Rainbow** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:22

Its not the mod itself. We can be happy it is NQ and not jay(gay)mod, in NQ weaponscripts can adjust nearly all.

by **Fefe** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:24

Rainbow wrote:Its not the mod itself. We can be happy it is NQ and not jay(gay)mod, in NQ weaponscripts can adjust nearly all.

Still cant hit with sniper so doesnt rly help that u can adjust nearly all

by **Rainbow** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:45

Because its not edited complete yet

by **Spyhawk** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:31

Yeah Rainbow, you can edit lot of weapons related stuff in the .weap file. But afaik, there are some other problems (there was a major rework in the main code) related to these "bugs".

by **Rainbow** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:25

I would not post this all if i didnt play on a server (NQ 1.2.7 with weaponscripts) where sniping worked great

by **Spyhawk** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 16:43

Great to know then

The NQ Team did a great job by externalizing weapon data + adding Lua modding capabilities in 1.2.5/1.2.7. The mod is again closed source, but at least it is customizable as you want

PS: Rainbow = pinkpunkgirl ?

by **Rainbow** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 17:32

Its the xfire. and my old nickname. sssssshhh.

by **Rainbow** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 23:15

Thanks for admins for changes. finally sniping is fun again

<3

by **ErsGuterJunge** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:15

now it worked and we see more snipers

Sniping in nq 127 - the suffering and the solution

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