Poison selfkills with nade.

by **Mefisto** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 14:02

Lame is sitting on the one corner whole map and poisen ppl in the back and then escaping like a chicken,
but as always poison is part of game (which i personally hate).

Imo good as it`s now, no need changes and as Ice say 'greyzone'. No reason to warn or sth. Ppl which poisoning other player the most time go/run away, so its not the combat and i will not react on this selfkills. If wanna got a kill afterpoison do what You schould do whit normal weapon, or wait near until man will die = then You can talk about combat situation.

Cya I`m back now to studing

by **Sebbel** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 14:56

one important thing said by davies:

the drop weapon forces u to switch to nade.. and 96% when u get poisoned, you are on your way to shoot enemy... but weapon is gone and so ur nade is already "ticking" ... well.. so you are poisened now... and you got a nade in your hand already 2 times ticking.. what are gonna do ? throw it faaaaaaaar away to give the kill to you enemy ??? only heroes like falb maybe do this.. well. maybe u can try to hit ur enemy ... but since u are often in small places when getting poisoned, its kinda logical u use the chance to die by own nade (happens often enough to myself even if i tried to hit only the poisoner)

all in all: use poison for drop weapon - kill enemy after that with weapon .. if enemy kills himself / herself.. bad luck

RULE for this SHIT?
LOL
never ever
if u miss a rule here, better start with panzernoobs, riflenoobs, flamernoobs who dont care to kill themselves only to get a kill -.-

god help me pls it dont come so far.

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i will check which possibities are available for poison stuff

by **icefrost** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 20:38

just another add from my side, if u poison someone it could also happen that another teammate just shoots him to death and u won't get counted this kill as well, but that's life hey.

@ betinho: okay now i get your point :wink:

by **fUnner** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 20:50

solution: disable poiton and no complaining!

DDDD
flame me...

by **Smadje** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 20:57

What an messy topic. By reading everything i can conclude 2 things:
- When you get poisened, just die instead off selfkill/ be heroic
- When you get poisened, it is allowed to kill yourself with nade/ still kinda lame

I actually don't care, you still killed the player, you blocked him in doing his objective, whats the point off having no kill for that.

by **deep** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 21:21

imo, if you poison some1, u should shoot him afterwards. and if he gets away by nading himself, then u just failed tht time. its ur own fault that u couldnt kill a weaponless guy...

also who wants to w8 and die? thats just weird and not fun for at least half ppl playing here.

its just another arguable thing.

by **InsulinJunk** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 23:32

I agree with Davies, we just need a little modification so that you dont immediatly grab nade. Why cant we do disorient and keep ur weapon? Hard enough for everyone! It wasn't my attention to make this such a big deal, and it isn't worth a rule, but it needs some changings cuz its kinda annoying though!

by **Plastic_Jesus** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:33

I have always thought that why nades wont be blocked when you get poisoned.
I think it's impossible.

by **GoldenBullet** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:22

Nades have 5 sec countdown before blowing up. If you cant kill the person you poisoned in 5 sec or lower his HP enough, then its your own fail.

I also agree with "poison drops weapons". Pointless and almost overpowered.

by **CaesaR** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:25

another pointless crying topic :party:

what about good old im having fun while playing the fricking game moto?

really guys...stop ruining the game with ridiculous rules :!:

sh!t happens here and there, if a guy kills himself with a nade then fine by me...

by **-Drag-** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 17:26

What if the poison drops only the main weapon (Thompson or mp40) and u have then ur pistols?

by **lazy-lion** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 18:04

-Drag- wrote:What if the poison drops only the main weapon (Thompson or mp40) and u have then ur pistols?

That's good to me.
But i dunno the meaning of this topic.
Its just, you poisen somebody and then you are very happy because you poisened someone

But then he tk's hisself. Whats so big problem about it?
You only loose 1 frag, and that isnt very important imo.
So just leave it right now. You have lame guys who tk. Just drop with it

by **eLemenT** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 18:44

Selfkill is NOT allowed nor appreciated when you are in battle (i.e. shooting/firing at your opponent).

If you go by your glory rulebook word by word it's not allowed, it's not even mentioned that only /kill selfkill is not allowed.
Nade selfkill while beeing poisoned IS in battle.
If you allow that you can allow /kill too.

When you see a panza missle coming in your direction, please, stand still, only chickens run away
And don't move when enemy field ops called for airstrike... lol

That's completely nonesense.
Has nothing to do sth with infight-selfkilling at all.

Fazit: I would say Nade selfkill is allowed, because it's called more 'ingame strategy. But ye it's pretty similar to that /kill which brings the complications ingame as it's seen as selfkill.. well k.. not seen, it IS a selfkill.

So imo would be wise to change the Rulebook quite a bit (even as i heard somewhere it's not necessary)

Ofc some will now disagree and say their glory rulebook is perfect. But as i mentioned above and you go word by word that nade /selfkill isn't allowed.

I would apprecate a nice replay, without any cheeky feedbacks.

by **Spyhawk** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 19:11

Nade selfkill while beeing poisoned IS in battle.
If you allow that you can allow /kill too.

Bla bla bla.

/kill never took an enemy with you.
I'm a fan of the nadekill after being poisoned, and I sometimes (=much more than rarely) take my attacker or someone else with me. :twisted:

If you want to be sure to kill, use another weapon than poison needle. Kill him yourself, that's it

by **Ammz** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 19:44

eLemenT wrote:
Selfkill is NOT allowed nor appreciated when you are in battle (i.e. shooting/firing at your opponent).

If you go by your glory rulebook word by word it's not allowed, it's not even mentioned that only /kill selfkill is not allowed.
Nade selfkill while beeing poisoned IS in battle.
If you allow that you can allow /kill too.

1. Our rulebook IS perfect, is just you *insert funny insult* players that give us trouble

2. You think having a disoriented green screen without any weapons except some fancy grenades, knife + poison is meaning you're in battle? You gotta be kidding me.
Let's just get something straight here:

Example given with 2 players, Daghel and Sebbel.

Daghel is hiding behind a corner and poisons Sebbel and thereby leading several things to happen:

1. Daghel just walks away from Sebbel leaving him to die = NOT IN BATTLE ANY MORE
2. Daghel stays and watches Sebbel die an agonizing death = NOT IN A BATTLE
3. Daghel pushes to Sebbel and +kicks him = UNREAL/NO BATTLE
4. Daghel decides to kill Sebbel = IN BATTLE, but Daghel will ultimately kill Sebbel before the grenade explode = NO SELFKILL HAPPENING

Hope you got that clear whining people!! :twisted:

This example is only with 2 players, but if a third player joined in like someone from Daghel's team and tries to kill Sebbel, then that would be a battle situation, but still ... either Sebbel dies from Daghel's teammate, Sebbel's grenade explodes and hurts/kills enemy + sebbel, etc. etc.

by **eLemenT** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 21:03

You think having a disoriented green screen without any weapons except some fancy grenades, knife + poison is meaning you're in battle? You gotta be kidding me.

So poison isn't a weapon in your eyes... maybe knife too?

It has almost all element's a Smg has.

Also after a 'poison shot' u take damage, like getting hit by smg.
U can run away after get shot by some smg but you're still infight.

Imo as long you recive dmg from other wapons you are in battle, dunno why it shouldn't.

Daghel just walks away from Sebbel leaving him to die

Daghel just jumps away from Sebbel, Sebbel shots him in the back with smg. = not in battle. ?

4. Daghel decides to kill Sebbel = IN BATTLE, but Daghel will ultimately kill Sebbel before the grenade explode = NO SELFKILL HAPPENING

He decided to kill her with poison already, if he uses his pistols and smg he wants to do as fast as possible. Imo u usually want to kill with poison. I don't think you drink poison if you're thirsty, or if you have no beer anymore.

Well nvm, i won't replay anymore, i said what i wanted to say and whats my opinion about this one. Also i am not whining here, if you count me in, i am neutral in this situation.

I dont talk to you like, 'Oh these retarded Admins can't talk normal xD'
Would be awsome you keep that in mind.

by **Rainbow** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 21:06

@Ammz
Now if i get shot/sniped from longer distance i want to use /kill. its no battle!!!

by **Ammz** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 21:42

eLemenT wrote:
Imo as long you recive dmg from other wapons you are in battle, dunno why it shouldn't.

Daghel just walks away from Sebbel leaving him to die

Daghel just jumps away from Sebbel, Sebbel shots him in the back with smg. = not in battle. ?

That's right, Sebbel can shoot Daghel in the back with an SMG while being poisoned. Thumbs up. Great discussing stuff with you!

eLemenT wrote:He decided to kill her with poison already, if he uses his pistols and smg he wants to do as fast as possible. Imo u usually want to kill with poison. I don't think you drink poison if you're thirsty, or if you have no beer anymore.

Could it also be that Daghel decided to DISARM sebbel so Daghel would not have to worry losing the battle? Or he was in a hurry e.G. had to defuse a dynamite? If you solely want to poison people, because you wan the POISON kill, then keep poisoning the same guy over and over again so he won't have a chance to use grenade.

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I am sorry. Apparently I can't include humor into my replies ...

@ Rainbow,
Why is that no battle? >.< ...

by **Daghel** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 22:33

eLemenT wrote:
Selfkill is NOT allowed nor appreciated when you are in battle (i.e. shooting/firing at your opponent).

If you go by your glory rulebook word by word it's not allowed, it's not even mentioned that only /kill selfkill is not allowed.
Nade selfkill while beeing poisoned IS in battle.
If you allow that you can allow /kill too.

Nope, read my previous reply. Nade selfkill has nothing to do with /kill. Two totally different situations, with different goals.

When you see a panza missle coming in your direction, please, stand still, only chickens run away
And don't move when enemy field ops called for airstrike... lol

That's completely nonesense.
Has nothing to do sth with infight-selfkilling at all.

You didn't get the joke.

So imo would be wise to change the Rulebook quite a bit (even as i heard somewhere it's not necessary)

Yes, its not necessary. I very doubt that Rulebook will be changed in nearest future. And leave it to admins please, ok? :wink:

Ofc some will now disagree and say their glory rulebook is perfect. But as i mentioned above and you go word by word that nade /selfkill isn't allowed.

Our indeed perfect rulebook was writted based on logic, sense, best game quality. Wasn't made for analizing it word by word. It simply...has..no..sense. :roll:

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Rest comments after this one are just bla bla bla for me, sry.

You can't describe perfectly when someone is in fight and when not. How? Looking at distance from enemy? 127.4 m? Or 89.3m?

"In fight" when someone is shooting at you is also nonsense, coz what about knife? arty? And you'll always get a whiner screaming "hey, i was just aiming on you! I shooted but missed. No selfkill in battle!". -.-
Please.... cut off this overruling... dunno how for you, but for me its taking away fun. More rules we are creating - more work we must put to keep them - game is getting more complicated - simple, not needed.

by **eLemenT** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 22:49

Rest comments after this one are just bla bla bla for me, sry.

You can't describe perfectly when someone is in fight and when not. How? Looking at distance from enemy? 127.4 m? Or 89.3m?
"In fight" when someone is shooting at you is also nonsense, coz what about knife? arty? And you'll always get a whiner screaming "hey, i was just aiming on you! I shooted but missed. No selfkill in battle!". -.-
Please.... cut off this overruling... dunno how for you, but for me its taking away fun. More rules we are creating - more work we must put to keep them - game is getting more complicated - simple, not needed.

U got a right here. I agree and know what you want to say. (Thats why i deleted now my next post, as it starting to get rather a flame war with ammz, sry bro)

Well the only thing is, you allow it by that reson you posted:

Slashkill is blocked for a reason. That reason is to prevent selfkills exactly. So selfkill with granade is fully allowed, same like in gun vs gun fight, or like faling from the clif.

Amen.

About the Rulebook, just talked if i would read that, for me that /nade"selfkill" would be disallowed.

@ Ammz you didn't get some of my sentences. Nvm ^^. About the jokes.. just saw some players were makin some mad jokes about some admins and they took it bit more serious and muted for short time. Also nvm, didn't got affected by your words

Maybe that topic need a /lock, imo all has been said.

by **Sebbel** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 23:05

eLemenT wrote:
Maybe that topic need a /lock

nope.. only crap in TV .. let it open !

by **deep** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 23:32

Daghel pushes to Sebbel and +kicks him = UNREAL/NO BATTLE

Unreal? +kick makes damage = IN BATTLE (yea caps rule)

I define battle as a little/big zone where fighting goes on. I consider myself not in the zone when I'm so far away that i can feel safe, or when i see the enemy has no interest to kill me. Done this for ages, no bad response- means allowed

No matter what changes will be made 1 side will be unsatisfied. so we have to balance it. To do so, lets look at the facts:

Poison needle selfkill allowed:
-Some ppl will be pissed for not getting a frag.
-bigger change to not get a frag at all.

Poison needle selfkill not allowed:
-Dying because of a poison takes longer than normal death. (dying time<fun time)
-They have smaller change to get away.

So, just looking at this shit above, you can see that 1 side whines about a frag, and the other for not having as much fun. a frag is fun too, but when we compare not getting a frag with getting poisoned, then clearly getting poisoned is much shittier situation.

for ppl that dont support this idea: cope with it, its the best solution for all.

by **Rainbow** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 23:56

Ammz wrote:@ Rainbow,
Why is that no battle? >.< ...

Sorry, now after you made

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you destroyed my joke <.<
has something to do with "x = NO FIGHT"

btw @all: it is possible to survive a poison. Run away as fast as you can and find a smart medic teammate who cure you with his syringe! Its not like your death is sure after posion hit you -.-

by **eLemenT** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 0:18

Run away as fast as you can and find a smart medic teammate who cure you with his syringe! Its not like your death is sure after posion hit you -.-

If the ET world would be full of smart medics who like to do their work, instead of rambo around

by **Ammz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 16:22

eLemenT wrote:(Thats why i deleted now my next post, as it starting to get rather a flame war with ammz, sry bro)

Chicken!

@Rainbow, sorry I destroyed your joke

@Diamond, if you call knife/kick fighting real combat... lol fine then

, but when I see 2 guys jumping around kicking and knifing each other I don't really consider them as serious participants in the battle

But to wrap this whole topic up.
I am GLAD we have agreed to do NOTHING

.
Poison stays as it is until Sebbel gets some crazy ideas or something :roll:

Poison selfkills with nade.

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