So a discussion that started in game...

[Meh Profile]

So what's PS2 going for? What's the end goal?

Here's a few points I'd like to get across before you all start yelling "Cry less, QQ, cry me a river" etc.

A) Most of the "elite" don't play on PS2 no more. Under "elite" I mean players who I barely have a chance against.
B) People get booted for their words, but not their actions. PS2 is full of people who act like idiots and throw nades at friends / riflenade friends to get a kill. If this happens on a few occasions, it's ok. But it happens a lot, and nothing is done about it.

In general.... what is PS2's goal? Because at the moment, it's inviting more and more beginner players (which isn't a bad thing), and pushing out the "upper class" (which is a bad thing).

If you continue this way (in my opinion atleast), then you'll probably be as popular as PS1, but with only beginner players. Meaning you won't have fun (the gameplay will be ruined).

[Sleyvas Profile]

A)Do you mean that those 'elites' are skilled players?Well imo at ps2 plays lot's of skilled players.

B) Well i think 90% riflenade and nades is not on purpose.Sometimes we got players who just teamkilling teammates (but i haven't seen those guys a long time at ps2.)Sure we will warn about teamkillers if those are made on purpose,but we cant warn ppls for every TK.

It's good that ppls says his opinions.True ps2 is not so crowded as ps1 (maybe sometimes gonna be but someones doesn't like that server is full all the time)

greetings Sleyvas

[Death Profile]

Well sleyv I agree with you. But I got an question:
If there come more and more beginning players and they start at PS 2 it
wouldn't be bad. Sure it would be sad for the players ("ELITE") who play
there an long time but wouldn't it be bad if there will be some sort of training
server. This way u would definitly get the TK SK and SC and other rulebreaking
at other servers down.
It's just an idea and probably won't be done, but I think it's woth thinking about.

[Meh Profile]

A)Do you mean that those 'elites' are skilled players?Well imo at ps2 plays lot's of skilled players.

B) Well i think 90% riflenade and nades is not on purpose.Sometimes we got players who just teamkilling teammates (but i haven't seen those guys a long time at ps2.)Sure we will warn about teamkillers if those are made on purpose,but we cant warn ppls for every TK.

It's good that ppls says his opinions.True ps2 is not so crowded as ps1 (maybe sometimes gonna be but someones doesn't like that server is full all the time)

greetings Sleyvas

a) Not as many as it used to. Lurtz used to check us out, Mephir, Lady (although she comes on rarely) etc etc.
b) I'm sure they don't mean to teamkill. They just don't think about their teammates, they think about the kill.

[Sleyvas Profile]

@Deatheater Ya true that new players don't know rules everytime,but we need begining players too not (elites only).

@Meh yep, but sometimes as i said we got players who just kill teammates.Just spawn and will kill every teammate.So i think they do that on purpose (unless he is new player in et.)

If you shoot riflenade on narrow corridor where is enemys and teammates and you will kill teammates too i think it wasen't on purpose.(this is example)

[Bagerro Profile]

A) ET is not a frag game, not a 1 vs 1 but a team play game. For most ppl "elite" means players with lot of Fragz, great acc, and winning almoust each 1 on 1. IMO a good player is such one that try to complete the obj, and do some team play, haveing fun with other players. At this point I would like to mention that reaping, 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1, riflenades even kami bazooka/flamer are part of the game and not a reason to whine.

B) In this point i think u mean me, and i still dont get it why... didnt TKed, naded, kicked, insulted or even pushed You, only thing what i done that i got to the MG on wchich u where standind not using (Hotchkiss mg, after blowing the wall, before the steel door which has to be dynoed) and what was your reaction? u backstabbed me and told me that i'm acting like idiot (for me its insulting)

I started to play on PS2 recently (pretty much played on PS1), coz there are not so much players like on PS1, u can play a normall match max 12 vs 12 where it is still posible to play for obj not only for fragz. There aren't PF's or Flamers, and not so much rulebreakers coz admins can watch better when serwer not full. And beginners are sometimes better then the exp-frag-skilled players coz they try to get the obj and not to be the best fragger.

[Plastic_Jesus Profile]

Totally agree with you Bagerro... ET isn't frag game, it supposed to be all the time clean and nice teamplay

[Meh Profile]

ET isn't a frag game, but the people who I mentioned are not only good fraggers, but good at most classes. They are people who prefer to frag, but atleast help their team with revives/ammo packs/pushing the enemy back. If you lack people like that, then usually the side that's supposed to attack, is camping.

And no Bagerro, this topic has nothing to do with you, you just pissed me off, nothing else.

[Red0x Profile]

heya

at first cant understand this :

Here's a few points I'd like to get across before you all start yelling "Cry less, QQ, cry me a river" etc.

maybe anyone can explain .. lala

its really nice that y found the way to forum meh bcs that was a tip from much players which listened to you that day

but i have a little problem:
perhaps only for me,( but i dont think so )
the most things y say now are a bit different from these things which y said on server ingame. (especially u try to explain a bit )
so your comments here seems like y cooled down a bit generally .
its easier for me to see it like a helping hand
ingame i think y started bcs only y had probs with hm whatever
if y wanna say y are the only one which can see noobisch rifle using ...
but i dont think(hope) that thats the point .

the second : i hope y can (will) remember
y said some people can shoot through walls .....
others are idiots....

and thats my point: your behaviour ingame this day wasnt helpfull for anything

but maybe y can see it yourself now

hm btw as long as i know ps doesnt invite anyone to play on ps2 but maybe im wrong
and another tip if ps2 isnt good for y take a look at ps5

k thx im out

SALIM

[Meh Profile]

Yeah, I did say you shot me through a wall, that only means it appeared to be a map bug. People just assumed, wrongly.

[deep Profile]

ET is not a frag game

u cant say that et isnt frag game, its different for each player. i for ex. like fragging part the most. or its wrong?

[blazing Profile]

to be honest i still love ps2 the most.
ps1 is funny if you wan't to make alot of frags,
on ps2 it's mostly objective playing,
so the 'elite' isn't only the great fraggers,
i haven't played for a while et now but will soon check in again.
and the game is for everyone for beginners till the pro players,
i'm not a good fragger but a 1 vs 1 fight which i always loose makes my skills also better,
every single player must learn the game and some take longer.

[nick Profile]

i dont really understand you're problem meh?

that the 'pro' players leave, and beginners join in? aint that just the way of life?
lurtz, lady, epa, and all those pro players have played here for a very long time, aint it just 'logic'' they move on?

on the tk + kill part, i totally agree with you: i think we should warn ppl for tk anyways, even if they make a kill too, because it STILL is on purpose, and i think that there should be warned against it.

(if you clearly see a teammate and an enemy shooting at each other, and you shoot a rifle nade between them, then it IS tk on purpose imo - ofc not in all cases, but in general - )

[Millenium Profile]

Whats your point meh ?

What i only see is an intolerant vision.

1) Our way to promote players never changed fundamentaly, we dont care to have skilled players but just fair, friendly, regular and respectfull guys. RESPECTFULL for all, even for beginners.

2) Teamkill happens, thats a part of the game, especially when it is a public server where beginners have a same place than those you qualify as "elite".
You can think we dont act hard enough in some cases, thats a point of view, but i think severals of you forget that we cant have eyes everywhere and some wants everything just at the moment you choosed. Wich is simply a kiddy way to act.
You're right on the point that some are abusing when admins are not online or afk, i see here for example your little brother wich is not banned yet by me coz YOU share the same connection.

3) I especially dont share your view on the fact that having beginners will ruin the game, on the contrary they're the future of that game and having a server with beginner and skilled players makes all ps servers more rich in a social way to see.

The forum contains lots of posts about our way to promote or our way to manage servers ( including how we punish or not players ) so i see here just an other non ended post.

Feel free to play on a server where you're game wont be ruin by beginners.

[Evil Profile Website]

Here's a few points I'd like to get across before you all start yelling "Cry less, QQ, cry me a river" etc.

Will have a ear and eyes to read and listen to all kind of storys rarely about u and what ppl think about it

Most of the "elite" don't play on PS2 no more. Under "elite" I mean players who I barely have a chance against.

Maybe or maybe not, however u called so far Elite, i would say ur not under that name and let me explain that DOWN PAGE

People get booted for their words, but not their actions. PS2 is full of people who act like idiots and throw nades at friends / riflenade friends to get a kill. If this happens on a few occasions, it's ok. But it happens a lot, and nothing is done about it.

maybe true and in a way also not,
u see if there is a admin ingame its hard to handle a problem like IVE NOT SEEN IT. and u can disagree with me whatever u want but iam a type guy that only warn when i see with my bloody own eys not by ppl word.
this mean cause u can hate that guy for example or hes just pissing u off.
admins in spec doesnt mean that he spec rulebreakers he can also relax enjoy of some ppl specing etc..etc... u can give a call that he rulebreak (name player) and he would look at thats posible ofcause as everyone do that u should known.

but lets get back to this msg from yours:
People get booted for their words, but not their actions. PS2 is full of people who act like idiots (But it happens a lot, and nothing is done about it.) no offence meh but do u think your behavior on ps2 was acceptable if so called then i would say ur not 1 hair beter then other ppl arround u accurse they are newbs, (MY POINT OF VIEW)

And no Bagerro, this topic has nothing to do with you, you just pissed me off, nothing else.

hmz if i read this i shall start to think that u are pisted of everybody,
however your act behavior server! even ps1 so not only ps2

Example: Eagles map upper floor 1 enemy u in same team as me and got massive tk by u and u say that i should move my ass cause iam in the way ?
smart but can i remind u that iam well aimed guy and i can handle 1vs1 combat aswell, its nice that u support me but as u start cry here about tk there are made by newbs or unskilled ppl then i would say meh.
ur the same person and a pain in ass in that tk section sometimes aswell.
(there was an admin on server aswell cant remember who and got no demos Darn bad thing but your tk on that time was just crap as ......

In general.... what is PS2's goal? Because at the moment, it's inviting more and more beginner players (which isn't a bad thing), and pushing out the "upper class" (which is a bad thing).

Give me examples please who maybe some ppl like lurtz u called so in ur first post?
well ppl go and ppl come i would say so to blame us about that skilled ppl go aways cause of noobs srry but if u heart ppl want to play teamplay only or teamplay objective i suggest to rent your own server and build up a skilled squad private srv or public so u can choice your own ppl to the server.
here on our community its free for all who join and who left.
and to so called that we pushing out upper ppl then i would ask to reply to me here what u mean by that cause we never kicked banned warned or scare them aways.
if they dont like newbs and dont wanna come over again its not our fault but decisions that they make by themselve not by our admins. think of that.

If you continue this way (in my opinion atleast), then you'll probably be as popular as PS1, but with only beginner players. Meaning you won't have fun (the gameplay will be ruined).

Ps#1 is famous some way good fun some way a horrible crap with rulebreakers thats what all servers got,
and dont tell me that LL is so friendly server with only pro skills if so then i dont understand wth u doing here arround.

and i think u just overreact about a few things like only beginer ppl godsake think about when u start playing et and what elite skilled ppl think bout u lol ?
everybody play as newb and end in skills but to blame unskilled ppl for that its a bad thing imo.


finish with quoting your post cause i even dont want to read it again lol so bad.

anywayz for some ppls replys.

Baggero: ET is not a frag game, not a 1 vs 1 but a team play game. For most ppl "elite" means players with lot of Fragz, great acc, and winning almoust each 1 on 1. IMO a good player is such one that try to complete the obj, and do some team play, haveing fun with other players. At this point I would like to mention that reaping, 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1, riflenades even kami bazooka/flamer are part of the game and not a reason to whine.
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Totaly agree.
if u like as i explain above creat your own squad and go up ladder in clanbase train teamwork and do matches. like ice do with VO (virtual Orgasm)

Nick: (if you clearly see a teammate and an enemy shooting at each other, and you shoot a rifle nade between them, then it IS tk on purpose imo - ofc not in all cases, but in general - )
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Disagree: Why? When u come to them as teammate and u shoot between them a rifle or kill them its also int TK.
even its your warn agains then to stop it,
ur bad even as they act like.
and that goes for all cases.
when a player tk back his teamate cause he tk him then
a) ur not 1 hair beter then himselve
b) can be warned for that aswell

Best way is to contact admin or just demo screenshot.

Anywayz srry for long post but its abit my point of few agains u guys and especialy MEH*

[Samuraii Profile Website]

AMEN AMEN




TK -> V45 (Sorry!) It can happen dont worry in 15 seconds new chance! Comon guys, taste it as a game, not a part of your life, act like ur muted and only can say v44 (No problem)! Maybe ask nicely to watch out next time, i know its freaking annoying if you get killed thousands of times by teammates, solution IGNORE it .... V44!!!

Ps2 exists with frags and objective players, i personnaly like to frag but losing a map isnt in my favor too, so.. frag and care for the objective! Never go alone fighting, always run with teammates.

(im not involved in this case, i was ingame with the conversation meh and some admins, i didnt talked about anything, currently im not chosing a side and i also hate tking)

just a remind to PLEASE just accept it,
accept it, accept it, accept it, and accept it again.

No need to make urself angry, or atleast dont care that ur reputation is gone if u get many deaths, or whatever n8OB situations.

Goodbye, the wannabe the best"Samurai"

[wardew Profile]

A) ET is not a frag game, not a 1 vs 1 but a team play game. For most ppl "elite" means players with lot of Fragz, great acc, and winning almoust each 1 on 1. IMO a good player is such one that try to complete the obj, and do some team play, haveing fun with other players. At this point I would like to mention that reaping, 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1, riflenades even kami bazooka/flamer are part of the game and not a reason to whine.

@Evil&Bagerro
maybe on 6vs6 clanbase ladder ET can be a good teamplay game...
surely not on funny server with 40 slot... with 80% of ppl that play lvl9 medic with praticly unlimited adre... the teamplay is only an illusion...

@Meh
obviosly the newbies are mixed with skilled players...this is the fun.. especially for begginers. (they can test their skill vs veterans)
if you think to be too skilled for this kind of play join a ladder on clanbase and good luck.. bye

[warren-the-ape]

Hear hear, the rambo meds whining about the newbies, the newbies whining about the rambo meds, what else is new?

@ Meh
Good luck with your server..

/Locked