Too high TD

[Death Profile]

recently I opened a topic where I had the question if there was an automatic kick possible. The awnser was no.
Today I played in Oasis and there was definitly too muck tk and td with 3 active admins online.
Here is ss from the end of game :


This is only Axis side. Allied was about the same.

If the TD was too high I should call an admin. Well I called them 3 (betinho Ponton and Przems) But neither one of them did something about it.

Now i really want to know what to do in these situations because I have no power so i can't do anything and admins don't response.
Please Bowdown Sebbel or anyone else do something.

PS: I know it's impossible to prevent TK but this is just too much tk.

[Jen Profile]

lol, thats what you get in a server with 40 slots and teamdamage enabled. Mortars, nades, slowmo panzers... You cant affect it, especially in a small map like oasis. Shit just happens.
Just get used to it or change server to a smaller one.

[Death Profile]

That's just the problem jen.
People don't watch where they shoot.
Espacially in an small map you should be extra carefull.
If you talk to the players about this they say that they don't do it on purpose. I believe them but if a map is smaller it's no excuse to make more tk/td.

[Monstrkill Profile WebsiteICQ]

Deatheater Thx for do topic but I mean as thought 3000TD is small... On PS#1 server are big TD for example 5000TD Dont know what mean admin But I mean as thought it is not horrible...Worse is very BIG TD...But nothing to it topic!;-)

[Smadje Profile]

P'S' and Beatbox have most TD, in this case thats not realy wrong because i see that they are engineer, and i guess that team was mine walking... the others td is acceptable

[BOWDOWN]

Sure, the TD were high and some deserved a little punishement. Beti and Przems are fresh members with low levels, they simply can t kick for the moment. Dunno about Ponty and as is see Vidduus , both seems to be afk so not a surprise if they did n t reacted . Once again , a TK problem is something we seriously take care about, if an admin notice that a players TD is realy high (usualyover 3000) you can be sure that the player will at least have a kick. Now, sometimes we don t have enough admins in server or some of them are afk or with low levels, it can happen an can t realy do something against it .

[Death Profile]

I knew Betinho was new member. Przems didn't knew.
ponton i don't know if he can kick but he was online. VIduus was afk.
but no admin even did anything about it. No warn no pip pop or anything else. That's my point.

[Betinho Profile]

Deathealer...well, like Bowy said i m a new member, and what i did when you said me that? i talk with viduus, i didnt nothing...and viduus spec beathbox and p¨s¨ and he said me by PM the team damage was because some axis walked in the landmines, that was the reason why viduus didnt punish.
Sometimes you need spec the player, because 1 engeneer must be have too much team damage (like beathbox and p¨s¨), and the reason can be other axis (in this case) was walking in the landmines

[Death Profile]

ok sorry betinho.
I didn't knew viduus was only cause he didn't responded on my PM's
but as you can see there's also chuck and maybe scipion with too high TD so it's not only P's'and beatbox. Same was on allied side there was also too high TD

[eLemenT Profile]

but incase u have low levels u could act like this:

first warn player or talk with him why he has high td etc (this step is necessary bc some players asking why he got kick/ban 'without' warn)

second if you noticed that the player still getting higher td, do screen nd if admins/ha are back show them the screen as a proof after that decide which punishment should he get

and about the guys which walken in the mines: betinho u could ask P' s' who walked in the mines nd warn the guy which done it (if it wont help nd your adminlevels are too low do demo nd show an admin)

that was sth i did while i had low levels nd couldnt do anything..,

Flash

[Death Profile]

second if you noticed that the player still getting higher td, do screen nd if admins/ha are back show them the screen as a proof after that decide which punishment should he get

Flash

One problem u can't show screen in game;) so that won't be possible
though the admin can see by TD if it might be true.

And i also calculated that if u wan't 3264 TD like beatbox.
u would do -750 normal TD. wich is possible u get this.

3250-750=2500
2500:140= 17.85

So you would have almost 18 TK just by landmines. That's almost impossible so his normal TD had to be about 1500+ too.

[Betinho Profile]

but incase u have low levels u could act like this:

first warn player or talk with him why he has high td etc (this step is necessary bc some players asking why he got kick/ban 'without' warn)

second if you noticed that the player still getting higher td, do screen nd if admins/ha are back show them the screen as a proof after that decide which punishment should he get

and about the guys which walken in the mines: betinho u could ask P' s' who walked in the mines nd warn the guy which done it (if it wont help nd your adminlevels are too low do demo nd show an admin)

that was sth i did while i had low levels nd couldnt do anything..,

Flash

i was playing and talking with high admin...and Viduus had a good reason for no warn this guys, so...i dont wanna !warn people for nothing.
Viduus say me the reason and he spec this guys, and i was playing, not spec this guys...so, if Viduus said that, isnt necessary !warn this guys.

[eLemenT Profile]

well ofc this was just a suggestion
nd i dont really know why these guys have high kd
just ive seen evil warn them like this

!warn *playername* watch your kd is really high

player is warned than nd know that he has to play more carefully
(thats the way i meant and which i think is the best)

yes betinho if viduus had really something why u dont have to warn these guys than dont do it ofc ^^

Flash

[Viduus]

Jepperdep, I was there indeed. It was a bit messy yes, sunday afternoon is always kindergarten time.
When this happens I always do /scores to see who has high td and go spec them. I specced both Beatbox and P'S'. I concluded most td was from minestepping (also cause some of the kindergarten thought flags were candys ... ). And Beatbox and P'S' are regulars, not meaning to do bad.

But besides that ... yes, td is high again lately on ps 1. All admins can do is educate new players, warn bad ones and kick the morons.

[Death Profile]

But besides that ... yes, td is high again lately on ps 1. All admins can do is educate new players, warn bad ones and kick the morons.

Thank u viduus that's exaclty what i wanted to hear and see admins do.

but maybe someone can inform all admins about this because last week when i was on i talked too mill about it and he didn't knew that TD over 2000-2250 should be kick. (he does now ) And i believe there are more admins who don't know so maybe inform everyone or maybe bowie can make an automatic ingame message that if you reach more then 2000 TD you might be kicked by admin...
Just an suggestion I don't know if that's too difficult,

[Sertr Profile]

Sorry btu how you want say too high TD. Every one have bad day. Maybe airstrike aybe motar. or anyone camping and they are going to his shots. yes 3000 is many but on server are biger problems.

[Audio Profile]

Wouldnt it be better to have a script that tells everyone playing that they are causing too much? To name and shame as well as telling the play they might get kicked for it. Could also tell admins to check the person doing it to make sure he/she is noob first.
-=Audio=- you have exceeded team damage limits. You maybe kicked, watch your fire.
Something like that

[Betinho Profile]

and which is the solution? change classes, i always did the same...always i check with "ALT" and check my stats...sometimes i have more than 2000 team damage with mortar and i check that...and just i change with medic and all is fine.
The player is responsable, no admin...no need advice from Admins...just when you see in the console (for example) "betinho was blasted for audio rifle grenade" you (audio for example) must be check the console and press ALT and check your team damage .

[Death Profile]

Nice idea Audio.
but that's exactly what I ment by in game message.
just something that warns you so people know they have too high TD.

[Millenium Profile]

i talked too mill about it and he didn't knew that TD over 2000-2250 should be kick.

Dont you told me it was over 3000 ?

And even with a such TD i wont kick immediately a player. Like Viduus said each case is different and need to be study carefully, bugs happened too ( like we saw 3 days ago ). I personally prefer PM the player and then warn him if he dont answer.
I will let him play some minutes and check how he will progress before an eventual last solution wich is the kick.
You're a very active guy to check the TD and pm admins about it, thats a good thing Death Just dont expect i kick incriminated guys immediately.

But besides that ... yes, td is high again lately on ps 1. All admins can do is educate new players, warn bad ones and kick the morons.

Exactly.

[Death Profile]

Dont you told me it was over 3000 ?

No i said over like 2250 was actually too high but that there were some people with almost 3000

And even with a such TD i wont kick immediately a player. Like Viduus said each case is different and need to be study carefully, bugs happened too ( like we saw 3 days ago ). Just dont expect i kick incriminated guys immediately.

I don't expect everyone to be kicked immediatly but if it's bad and it keeps getting worse they should be kicked but i think now most people know

[MiLady Profile]

In my opinion people should be kick for to much TD but it depends of situation. If guy use PF to do TD he should be kick but if someone is engineer and use mines?

On PS#5 is nice because team damage is disable and it isn't really crowded server.

I think on PS#1 it also should be disable to less trouble situation.

[FlowerPower]

Talking about Beatbox, he's quite often an high TD, because he uses riflenades and he's pretty careless about his teammates.
I think I've already kicked him, he should have learned the lesson by now...

Like viduus said: "educate new players, warn bad ones and kick the morons"