TJ Over Wall With Objective - Snatch

[SpyCow Profile]

Right, so this has been on my mind for a while and I've been receiving different answers from various of members/admins/high admins when I asked each of them Individually.

Is it or isn't it considered TJ with objective in this scenario? I have mixed feelings about this, given that I've been doing this scenario a thousand times,
until recently, when a member made me aware of his opinions regarding this matter. At first I denied the fact that it's TJ, but then I eventually figured out why it could be.

Scenario #1 - Entrances to the objective.



Scenario #2 - Acquiring the Objective and jumping over the wall, using DJ, as a quick escape route.

Wall:



Escape Route:



Opinons?

[DMG_Kowi Profile]

Opinons?

Nice Paint skills.







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In my opinion it's ok. You don't pass any blowable obstacle by tjing there.

[xochi Profile]

at your scenario 2 part with the DJ for me that is not allowed because it gives you a huge advantage when playing map. You can just walk downstairs and there are 4 exits you can take .

[Troyan Profile]

I dont get it Why wondering so much about so simply thing... Rule : " No dj or tj for obj " . Ask yourself, do you need to use dj to secure obj the way u paint ( btw nice paints ) ?? It is simple. Wall is for somthing build there yea ?

[deep Profile]

I think the rule mostly applies when skipping a secondary obj.

[Daghel]

Opinons?

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it's ok. You don't pass any blowable obstacle by tjing there.

This.

[davies Profile]

Don't use trickjumps or doublejumps to complete a map objective, for example; jumping over the wall as an engineer to blow up the fuel dump to complete the map. Doublejumping over walls or obstacles without doing map objectives is allowed.

In my opinion you do complete a map's objective via doublejumps HOWEVER you don't skip any of the map's objectives, you just take a shortcut which is available because of NQ doublejump. Even though we should follow our set guidelines (see above) ambiguity sometimes needs to be sorted per situation.

I think it is the same as: is it allowed to jump over a built barricade fence in Marrakech if you run with the obj?
Or use the side wall in Warbell to transmit the holy book?

Back to Snatch, I tend to allow this jump. It's a simple double jump, no obstacles involved, it doesn't ruin the map, so I don't see much reason in forbidding it.

God gave you adrenaline and froglegs, so why not use it .

[Troyan Profile]

If this jump to secure obj is ok, then i dont understand why on oasis dj is forbiden ????? This is the same situation. So... on 1 map dj for obj allowed on another not ???

[davies Profile]

If this jump to secure obj is ok, then i dont understand why on oasis dj is forbiden ????? This is the same situation. So... on 1 map dj for obj allowed on another not ???

Because;
firstly, in Oasis you will skip one of the maps main objectives (destroying the wall)
secondly, you can't jump the wall from the ground without using any obstacles (trickjump)

[Troyan Profile]

secondly, you can't jump the wall from the ground without using any obstacles

Ok, it makes sense...

But on snatch the jump is from the roof (dunno it is a ground ? ), on oasis the jump is also from roof... very similar to me...

firstly, in Oasis you will skip one of the maps main objectives (destroying the wall)

but that not convinces me at all... On snatch map u have to blow up wall also if u want to run with obj that way, yes this wall on first floor.

[egglaf]

I will not a make a problem of it if someone does use DJ to escape the roof.

The objective is easy enough to defend by axis, and moreover you can only escape with it, not reach it. Oasis is quite another case since you clearly circumvent an objective by jumping over the wall.

[Troyan Profile]

Yea, im also not making any problems if some1 doing this. I know map is enough hard for allias even with this "wall jump". And i see diferents betwen wall jump on snatch ( can do small part of map obj) and oasis ( can complete map obj - blow guns ).

But being precise, and calling things by their names - this 1 on Snatch is clear dj for obj also for me. But like i said, considering hards of map for allias, OK.



P.S

Oasis is quite another case since you clearly circumvent an objective by jumping over the wall

But destroying wall is not only way to complete obj And u r not jumping over the wall, just from 1 roof to another roof I dont want to say that on oasis this is not dj for obj, god forbid. Just wanted to show how thouse 2 jumps are similar. For me at least they are XD

[SpyCow Profile]

Okay, well, it seems like the majority is not against DJ to escape with the objective.

Thanks! One less thing to think about.

[davies Profile]

Okay, well, it seems like the majority is not against DJ to escape with the objective.

Thanks! One less thing to think about.

Doesn't mean you can't be banned because of it

[SpyCow Profile]

Okay, well, it seems like the majority is not against DJ to escape with the objective.

Thanks! One less thing to think about.

Doesn't mean you can't be banned because of it

That admin abuse!

Honestly thought most people would consider it TJ for objective though, since it's a much faster, and safer, way to run to the truck.

[Ammz Profile]

God, you're such a nerd SpyCow.

[SpyCow Profile]

[Pingster Profile]

Opinons?

In my opinion it's ok. You don't pass any blowable obstacle by tjing there.

What about the wall breach? Without doublejump, to escape in the same direction you'd have to run downstairs and through the wall breach, that needs to be blown up.

[Smadje Profile]

In this case the wall breach should be ignored. I don't like it personally, but we allow this move with the rules we have.

[Kuna Profile]

Well if u need i can edit map file and delete this controversial wall ofc its joke, i dont want to break SteelRat's copyright of map But i think DJ should be available in here, Allies have to do a lot of teamwork for stealing obj.

[Troyan Profile]

Opinons?

In my opinion it's ok. You don't pass any blowable obstacle by tjing there.

What about the wall breach? Without doublejump, to escape in the same direction you'd have to run downstairs and through the wall breach, that needs to be blown up.

Yes, thats what i was thinking. With this dj upstairs, blowing up this wall downstairs losing sense. Again i compere to Oasis XD, what for i have to destroy wall ? I can jump over that Snatch and Oasis almost identical situations.

But we agree about difficulties of this map to Allias, so let it be like so far, this is dj for obj but allowed XD
Or better way, change map to smth else XD and problem solved

[DMG_Kowi Profile]

Opinons?

In my opinion it's ok. You don't pass any blowable obstacle by tjing there.

What about the wall breach? Without doublejump, to escape in the same direction you'd have to run downstairs and through the wall breach, that needs to be blown up.

Wall breach, which is just 5 meters from regular exit, after which you can just jump over low wall.

Come on, on maps we play there are hundreds of ways to utilize dj a manner, which makes objective easier.

[DMG_Kowi Profile]

Yes, thats what i was thinking. With this dj upstairs, blowing up this wall downstairs losing sense.

What about entering that way, huh?

Again i compere to Oasis XD, what for i have to destroy wall ? I can jump over that Snatch and Oasis almost identical situations.

Almost identical? Don't make me laugh. They are long long way different. Do I have to list the differences?

[Troyan Profile]

They are long long way different. Do I have to list the differences?

Yea sure Im very curious where you see the differences ??

[Smadje Profile]

There are tons of differences, and Kowi is exactly right. They are not comparable
- In oasis axis have a second spawn and they are way behind
- In oasis you pass an objective, and you intend to do the final objective, axis don't have time to reach the dynamites in time.
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