mines

by **Zielobjekt** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:31

i want to discuss the settings from the landmines to see what our players from the server think about it.

at the moment the teamdamage from the mines is turned of and i personally dont like this way. all weapons do teamdamage so why should mines dont do it too? only because some players cant jump or just like it to minewalk and engis get higher TD that cant be a reason for me.

but the main point why i find its not a good choise is that you can now protect flags with it or you plant mines at some ways and ppl escape through the mines and you just have no chance to follow him.
the advantage for the team that plant mines (most times the defenders) is at the moment realy to high for me.

it would be nice if you would tell us your reasons why its good or bad instead of only voting.
thx

by **Smadje** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:36

I agree with you in this point, its unrealistic and in some cases unfair. It is horrible to be a engineer with high teamdamage and teamkills, but this is not the good solution for it.

Players should be more carefull.

by **wenszy** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:44

i would suggest a higher damage of the mines...

ontopic: there to many people on so no teamdamage from mines is good i thinkg

by **Smadje** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:47

There indeed much players in the server usually, but on the other hand there only 15 landmines available.... Friendly fire was on for landmines a really long period, and I in each case never saw big problems with it.

by **Viduus** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:04

Agree with Ziel here.

For example the map Oasis.
Mines can now be placed directly at entrance to flag so it is impossible for allies to get to flag without stepping on a mine. Mines can placed in doorways now. Or mines can be placed at the end of the first tunnel. Impossible to go over by allies.

If mines with no TD stay. Then maybe an other solution is to make it possible for classes other then coverts to spot mines and nade them away.

But I would like to see TD of mines again.

by **Sebbel** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:45

your points are right.. but you have also to think about the other side.

the mine-planting engi is a poor soul at ps1 when ff is off. its no fun to place mines on rly good places.. a bit hided behind something.
sooo much times a dump teammate destroys your well planted mine and upon on this he collects teamdamage

i remember szeryf kicking teammates who step his mines, because he was just pissed of it.. and a little bit i could understand him ^^

because of this reason i disabled ff of mines long time ago on ps5 and i must say i am happy as player who plays most times engi.

but ur arguements about "realism" and "mine spamming at flags" etc. are also good... so for me all in all.... never mind...
let a poll decide

@wensz.. ye.. indeed something i also think about.. will try to increase dmg on ps5 first

by **FlowerPower** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 13:03

I agree with all of you, but imo the best idea is: TD for mines off and every class can spot mines, so things will be easier for attackers...

by **Mariush** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 13:45

For example the map Oasis.
Mines can now be placed directly at entrance to flag so it is impossible for allies to get to flag without stepping on a mine. Mines can placed in doorways now. Or mines can be placed at the end of the first tunnel. Impossible to go over by allies.

the mine-planting engi is a poor soul at ps1 when ff is off. its no fun to place mines on rly good places.. a bit hided behind something.
sooo much times a dump teammate destroys your well planted mine and upon on this he collects teamdamage

I entirely agree with this sentences. 2 rights.

In my opinion: turn on TD of mines.

But maybe can do that: TD on statistics gets no engi but person ho stand on mines.

If mines with no TD stay. Then maybe an other solution is to make it possible for classes other then coverts to spot mines and nade them away.

I play on server where fildops can spot mines ( i dont remember but mast have 4 lvl in fildops or higher).

by **Jen** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 14:01

The vote options are not correct, the teamdamage of landmines is not disabled. If enemy triggers a landmine and you are nearby, they do TD and you get killed. But it doesnt matter i think, everyone should understand what's meant :)

Anyway i like it like this, cus usually those mines are placed to stupid places by careless engies (Around flags and your own spawn for example) which is frustrating.

E: And even if the mines are correctly planted, theres always these minewalkers (Usually not on purpose, but annoying anyway).

And imo its not right to say that "its not realistic" in a server with doublejump and other stuff enabled. Personally i just like to have fun when playing and its easiest when "the teamdamage" of mines is off.

by **Audio** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 14:36

I'd rather mines are set off by team mates; it should teach people to be more considerate where team mates will walk.
It is harsh that engies team damage index shoots up from it but it goes up just as fast with rifle grenades :roll:

I blame rambos for walking over them so let them die and whine...they should know better if they think they're leet.

(lol @ cov ops in a suit walking over mines)

by **RiCkY** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 15:46

this might be stupid but u cant set TD on but it wont count on the planters total TD?

a engi get kicked because to mch TD by dumb Teammates wont happen when it is off
but the realistic is out.

so i have peace if it on or off

like sebbel said : let the poll decide

by **Zielobjekt** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 16:00

RiCkY wrote:a engi get kicked because to mch TD by dumb Teammates

sry ricky but thats the fault the most have i think. nobody should be ever kicked for only a number of TD. you can have a TD from 10000 and you wont get kicked when its only from good placed mines where some stupid players jump all the time in.

when this happend in the past that you get kicked just for a number of TD our members should learn that they did a mistake because they have to spot the players and not only look at a number.

by **RiCkY** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 16:07

respect to youre awnser Zielobjekt :beer:

i know it not happens much but i can imagen u feel bad that someone says in the end-game that u have a 15 ''ain't got no friends award'' and peeps say u dont say sorry after They step on youre mine

well only thing u see is a flag (blue or red and its not a big flag) maybe a new skin for the mines to make them visible for the Team?

by **Death** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 16:53

Voted: no td

@zielobjekt: if you want 10000 td from mines you got to kill 65,7... with your mines

seems pretty impossible :oops:

but i get your point but there's also some players who play as engi with rifle nade, they just shoot wherever they can and have td from 3000+ just because they don't pay attention to teammates. I think at those situations a kick isn't to much asked.

by **Zielobjekt** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 17:17

it was just a number and not serious meant. thats why i said the players much be watched how they play and not only looked at the number of TD

by **Betinho** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 18:12

Mines should do team damage....like all weapons...just change that bad maps like tramfigth and thats all.

by **Keeks** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 18:32

You'll never get an optimal setting.

Its fact that this settings saves a lot of teamdamage, but gives good tool for "noob" engies, like planting mines around the flag (like Alain in Tramfight) - there is nothing better than spawn with multiple ssss sounds...

If this settings stays, this behaviour have to be prohibited

by **BOWDOWN** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 19:45

Keeks wrote:You'll never get an optimal setting.

Its fact that this settings saves a lot of teamdamage, but gives good tool for "noob" engies, like planting mines around the flag (like Alain in Tramfight) - there is nothing better than spawn with multiple ssss sounds...

If this settings stays, this behaviour have to be prohibited

Just a point, putting mines directly around the flag is forbidden, TD on or off, we alwayz acted like this, you can t put mines on flag, if i see it the dude will have a warn/kick as i usualy do.

by **TeddY** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:29

I agree with all wo said that mines should do TD. I think players should look where they step on

TeddY

by **Monstrkill** » Fri May 01, 2009 20:05

Hellou... I vote for yes.I mean as thought have player will be careful.Or have on server as thought someone go to mines and say he TK me.. Simply have player careful..

by **Ajit** » Fri May 01, 2009 20:52

my vote: no

then we can avoid mine steppers and mine defusers.

+ we have to add that everyone can spot mines cos it's unfair if it doesnt make td.

so
TD on - only covert can spot
or
TD off - everyone can spot mines

by **Smadje** » Fri May 01, 2009 21:13

Its fine for me when td is off, I dont like it as much as it was before.

But is it possible to realize that engineers can defuse there own mines with ff off for landmines? Its really annoying sometimes when you want to place your mines at a other spot...

by **GokuSan** » Sat May 02, 2009 0:20

Garfield wrote:my vote: no

then we can avoid mine steppers and mine defusers.

+ we have to add that everyone can spot mines cos it's unfair if it doesnt make td.

so
TD on - only covert can spot
or
TD off - everyone can spot mines

Nothing to add.

@smadje, this option is possible on ETPub, not yet on NQ if I remember right.

by **FOKEWOLF** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 16:54

I agree with ziel mines should do dmg to all ppl not only to enemies. ET is just a game but it should be quite realistic.

by **icefrost** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 17:03

it's a old topic, no need to reply there.

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should mines do TD or not?

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